In places like Canada and the U.K. the waiting lists are so long people are dying "literally" to get treated by a doctor. In Britain if your over 55 you dont get treatment unless you have private insurance. So why are the Dems wanting to turn the greatest healthcare system in the world and destroy it like this. Its not perfect but socializing it is not the answer.
First of all I’m 46 and had my share of health problems. Second name a country that has better health care. Third way should I pay for someone elses hospital bill. To have this socialized medicine cost the tax payers alot. Here a segment from an arcticle by Pierre Lemieux on how much it cost.
"The first thing to realize is that free public medicine isn’t really free. What the consumer doesn’t pay, the taxpayer does, and with a vengeance. Public health expenditures in Quebec amount to 29 per cent of the provincial government budget. One-fifth of the revenues come from a wage tax of 3.22 per cent charged to employers and the rest comes from general taxes at the provincial and federal levels. It costs $1,200 per year in taxes for each Quebec citizen to have access to the public health system. This means that the average two-child family pays close to $5,000 per year in public health insurance. This is much more expensive than the most comprehensive private health insurance plan."
Report by heritage foundation shows that 1.3 million British citizens are on a waiting list to receive medical attention. The waiting lists for treatment in Canada and Britain even for serious conditions, are notoriously long, A report by a Canadian cardiologist, Dr. Richard Davies, wrote in the Canadian Medical Association Journal that "Canadian patients are being forced to wait much longer than is really necessary" for heart bypass surgery. And figure from the Cardiac Care Network of Ontario show that more than 1,500 patients were on the waiting list for bypass surgery between April 1996 and March 1997. some of them died while on the waiting list and other were taken off the list because their extended waiting time made them "medically unfit for surgery." this can all be found on the heritage foundation website.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/NR092900.cfm This is the website to the article.
W.H.O. is a supporter of socialized medicine so of course there going to say France is #1 there one of the most socialized countries in Europe. Until there citizens finally came to there senses recently
The "greatest healthcare system in the world"??? Ok, even if you don’t agree with socialized healthcare, don’t you think that’s going a bit far? Too many people in our country can’t afford health insurance, their system is: "Don’t Get Sick"
Seriously, how old are you? You can’t be that old to where you’ve had to deal with serious health problems and the problem of paying for it.
The "greatest healthcare system in the world"??? Ok, even if you don’t agree with socialized healthcare, don’t you think that’s going a bit far? Too many people in our country can’t afford health insurance, their system is: "Don’t Get Sick"
Seriously, how old are you? You can’t be that old to where you’ve had to deal with serious health problems and the problem of paying for it.
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Hopefully they will work on a better system than the ones you described above. If you did not have private insurance, you would not be asking why we need to provide more "insurance" for more people.
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Because people love anything that is free, They think they are owed something by the government,and this free health care must be the answer. Socialized medicine is a joke.
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Well I know of absolutely no one who has died waiting for health care in Ontario
I have however seen people in California wheeled out into the parking lot to die because they could not pay for services
Can the health care in Canada do better ? Yes of course it can
Is it the shambles you would like to make it out to be in order to decieve Americans into thinking it is evil – No it is not
Is the idea of poor people getting a flu shot so repugnant to you ?
One thing the rich have not figured out is that poor people continue to exhale and so they spread disease when untreated this affects the entire population
Yes the rich inhale as often as the poor exhale and so if one of those groups is left untreated both of those groups suffer the risks of pandemics – Rich people will get the poor person disease
The idea that universal health care is unworkable or inherently bad is one invented by private health care person who like thier income to be multiple million –
It is a lie told to you by CEO’s and without real fact spread by well meaning persons such as yourself
What are you trying to do ? Really ?
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Please provide evidence of either of your claims – that people die waiting for treatment or that people over 55 do not get treatment in Britain.
Greatest healthcare system in the world??? This is about the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.
The US pays more per capita than any country on Earth for healthcare. Yet our system is providing us with substandard health care. We have the lowest life expectancy, the lowest healthy life expectancy and the worst child mortality in the developed world.
Britain and Canada do not represent some loopy left experiment. EVERY developed nation in the world offers some form of universal health coverage with the exception of the US. And we are left paying more than them for a product that does not deliver.
Why are republicans so opposed to this? Wouldn’t a healthier workforce mean better productivity and more of your oh so important profits.
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http://www.who.org
Is that the best you can do? Repeat the same unsourced nonsense with the addition of an unsourced quote. You have not provided a link to anything that proves either of the assertions I challenged (that people have died or that those over the age of 55 do not get covered).
You have omitted the fact that waiting lists in Britain have been falling from thier peaks in 1997 due to proper funding from Blair after years of neglect by a conservative government. As you choose not to support your statements they can be given no validity whatsoever.
When faced with sourced data – you do not address it – instead you make a pathetic attempt to attack the (very reliable and non-partisan ) source. You have not answered or even attempted to answer the question why you claim universal health care will be more expensive when the US currently spends more per capita and a greater proportion of GDP on health care than any other country in the world. You have not attempted to explain why you want to continue doing so when this massive expenditure continues to produce third world life expectancy and child mortality figures (a child has a better chance of making it to 5 years old in Cuba than they do in the US – doesn’t that make you feel ashamed).
And how did France "come to it’s senses" all of a sudden? They elected a president from the same party as the previous one – who had been in the cabinet of the previous one – an who steadfastly supports universal healthcare.
Those are the facts. I have provided my source – it is unimpeachable.
You just continue to rant.
Ask one of the 40,000,000 Americans who can’t go to the doctor ?
All knowledge is good
And it seems all knowledge is the enemy of right wing propaganda
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Because they choose not to think realisitically. Instead they think idealistically which is dumb.
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My heroes on this question are, Dead Prez, Sageand scholar, and Trout. Listen to them, they make some excellent points and you could really learn something from them! *sm*
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The World Health Organization in a major report rated the ever famous US Health Care System as 37th.
When I was in elementary school being 37th didn’t mean you were the best, being 1st ment you were the best.
By the way U.K was 18th, ahead of US and France was 1st.
The answer to your ignorance would be if the Democrats bring the US Health Care System close to 18th or 1st spot, it would be called an "IMPROVEMENT", once again read if very slowly …………….. we are at 37th…………… UK at 18th…………. France at 1st ……………… if you move closer to them ……………… because we adapted a similar format …………. it would be called ……………… an……………."IMPROVEMENT".
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http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0404/0404.worldsbest.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/799444.stm
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/wb/xp-79164
its not great @ all, w/ it there is no second opinion if ur diganosed w/ terminal cancer or something(dr make mistakes) and give away all your world posessions and try and fix things, but then find out u dont have terminal cancer, and u have no money, no house nothing then u have no life(this hapened 2 a man in the Uk, recently) thts y it wont work and bush isnt giving 2 illegals noingly, and were helping Iraq thts y theyre being given meds. plus most who need soilized meds made a bad choice tht got them their MOST, some didnt but MOST did and since they made the bad choice (drugs going out and having unprotected sex(not rape) and dropping out of school, ie thier fault they need it so thts y it wont work, plus a drug addict could go in 4 tretment and get treated(not treateed 4 thier addiction), but steal drugs and waste our money. i would luv 4 some1 2 try and point out my flaws but its impossible cing as all my stuff came from cnn and msnbc.com!
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the news(CNN) MSNBC.com
What you need is a library pass. Socialisation of Medicine isn’t flawless,but it’s a hell of lot better than sick in Seattle.
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it is a very big shame for our country.
250 million do have medical insurance, and 50 million without any insurance.
the ones who do have medical insurance they thing nothing will
effect them. wrong
God forbid if any one with medical insurance ends up with something so big, then the real battle starts, insurance company’s with their stupid policy’s will Denni all sorts of tests, all sorts of surgery’s, and all sorts of other none issues,
just because for them not to lose any profits.
and lets not forget the pharmaceuticals, a friend of mine has to pay $600.00 each month for her medicine it is not cover by her insurance and not generic is available for her.
so my friends, we all are doomed.
the ones who do not have medical insurance, like me and my family, us we have to take every morning one pill of not get sick, one pill of becarefull not to have any accident, and on and on.
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If America’s So Great, Where’s Our Health Care?
Lack of health insurance kills six times as many Americans each year as 9/11 did.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15073.htm
See:
Comprehensive 12-part Critique of Psychiatry
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/
Does Mental Illness Exist?
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/exist.htm
Schizophrenia: A Nonexistent Disease
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/schizoph.htm
The Myth of Biological Depression
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/depressi.htm
Psychiatric Drugs: Cure or Quackery?
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drugs.htm
Psychiatry’s Electroconvulsive Shock Treatment – A Crime Against Humanity
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/ect.htm
The Brain Butchery Called Psychosurgery
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/psychosu.htm
The Case Against Psychotherapy
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/psychoth.htm
Unjustified Psychiatric Commitment in the USA
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/unjustif.htm
Is Involuntary Commitment for Mental Illness a Violation of Substantive Due Process?
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/due-proc.htm
Why Psychiatry Should Be Abolished as a Medical Specialty
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/abolish.htm
Suicide: A Civil Right
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/suicide.htm
Psychiatric Stigma Follows You Everywhere You Go for the Rest of Your Life
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/stigma.htm
Why Psychiatric Drugs are Always Bad – by Douglas C. Smith, M.D.
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm
On Ritalin and "Hyperactivity Disorder" – Peter R. Breggin, M.D.
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/ritalin.htm
How Drug Company Money Has Corrupted Psychiatry – Loren R. Mosher, M.D.
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/mosher.loren.1.htm
Unethical Psychiatrists Misrepresent What is Known About Schizophrenia – by Al Siebert, Ph.D.
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/siebert.htm
Only You Can Cure Yourself – Ann Lawson
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/lawson.htm
Why Outpatient Commitment Laws Change (Almost) Nothing – by Douglas A. Smith
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/kendra-c.htm
Why Mental Patients Should Have the Same Constitutional Rights as Criminals – and Why Involuntary Commitment for "Dangerousness" is Wrong
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/donaldsonbriefexcerpt.htm
25 Good Reasons Why Psychiatry Must Be Abolished – by Don Weitz of Toronto, Ontario
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/25reason.htm
Notes on Psychiatric Fascism by Don Weitz of Toronto, Ontario
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm
The Non-Violence Philosophy of Mahatma Gandhi Applied to Psychiatry
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/gandhi.htm
A Retort to President Bush on Mental Health
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/bushap02.htm
Mental Health Parity: A Debate – U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone and Antipsychiatry Coalition webmaster Douglas A. Smith debate whether Congress (or state governments) should have laws forcing health insurance companies to pay for psychiatric treatment
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/wellstone.htm
Do you have a right to jury trial in psychiatric commitment in your state? – a compendium of psychiatric commitment laws in the USA’s 50 states and capitol (District of Columbia)
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/jury.htm
Lawyers – a list of lawyers who have successfully opposed psychiatric oppression
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/lawyers.htm
Mental Health Professionals – a list of psychiatrists, psychologists, and a neurologist who oppose involuntary psychiatric "treatment"
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/mhp.htm
Does Mental Illness Exist?
by Lawrence Stevens, J.D.
http://www.antipsychiatry.org
Introduction to Alternative Cancer Treatments
Part 1 of 3 – The Medicine
http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer.html
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WOLF: INTC, SpecOps, Commando, BlackWatch
Socialized as well as private medicine is imperfect in isolation. Coexistence of both the systems is the best health care one can think of. It helps in balancing. Poor are ensured of proper medical care and those who can afford to pay have access to the best quality of medical facilities as and when required without any waiting list. In spite of bad name of Indian situation, combination and coexistence has proved most effective system in India. There are no waiting lists, if you can afford to pay. Cost of medicines and medical treatment including complex operations is just peanuts in India compared to any developed country. And, competence of Indian doctors is second to none.
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