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		<title>By: ☼ GƖơώ ✞ Ѡɪηǥs ☼</title>
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		<dc:creator>☼ GƖơώ ✞ Ѡɪηǥs ☼</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know so much about karma. 
I believe in the Golden Rule.  I also believe we should &quot;pay it forward&quot;.
I give unconditionally and I know the Lord God above will bless me abundantly, for any and all I do for others.  :D

Peace and blessings&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know so much about karma.<br />
I believe in the Golden Rule.  I also believe we should &quot;pay it forward&quot;.<br />
I give unconditionally and I know the Lord God above will bless me abundantly, for any and all I do for others.  <img src='http://www.theperfectsystem.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peace and blessings<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: General D. Ypsilanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>General D. Ypsilanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Karma is not a system of retribution, it is a learning aid.
A Loving Being doesn&#039;t visit retribution upon It&#039;s children.

Karma is a part of the illusion.  In truth we are still exactly
as God created us - Perfect.  But our belief in this illusion
makes it real for us.  Nothing that goes on in the illusion
is created by God, but we need to awaken to that truth.

We think some things are good and some things are evil.  Not so.
We think we can sin against God.  That&#039;s impossible. God is
Invulnerable - nothing can touch Him/It.  What we call good and evil 
is all part of the illusion and God has not bought into our dream world.

So Karma is part of the illusion and is designed to help us return
to our heavenly state with our Creator.  We need to remember that
we are One with God and our fellow man.

If in a prior life we were unkind to our fellow man, if we harmed or killed
some one, we may need to experience a similar situation.  I think 2
things govern that.  One is Karma and the other is expectations.
We may not deserve a beating at the hands of another based on past deeds,
but we see our fellow man as mean, nasty, unkind and corrupt and we are
creating those conditions in our experience.  We invite it.  Some would
call that instant karma.

Look at this aspect: in earth school, every lesson that every person needs
is here.  If some are in a position of peace - they will find peace here.
If they need wars - they will find it here.  If they need Genius - they will
find it here.  But to provide these varied lessons, some souls must step
to the plate and play a very nasty part - like Hitler. Like today&#039;s terrorists.
That is a rough role to accept.  It is needed.  They are not sinners since
it is a teaching lesson to help us awaken.  God loves all His children equally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Varies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Karma is not a system of retribution, it is a learning aid.<br />
A Loving Being doesn&#8217;t visit retribution upon It&#8217;s children.</p>
<p>Karma is a part of the illusion.  In truth we are still exactly<br />
as God created us &#8211; Perfect.  But our belief in this illusion<br />
makes it real for us.  Nothing that goes on in the illusion<br />
is created by God, but we need to awaken to that truth.</p>
<p>We think some things are good and some things are evil.  Not so.<br />
We think we can sin against God.  That&#8217;s impossible. God is<br />
Invulnerable &#8211; nothing can touch Him/It.  What we call good and evil<br />
is all part of the illusion and God has not bought into our dream world.</p>
<p>So Karma is part of the illusion and is designed to help us return<br />
to our heavenly state with our Creator.  We need to remember that<br />
we are One with God and our fellow man.</p>
<p>If in a prior life we were unkind to our fellow man, if we harmed or killed<br />
some one, we may need to experience a similar situation.  I think 2<br />
things govern that.  One is Karma and the other is expectations.<br />
We may not deserve a beating at the hands of another based on past deeds,<br />
but we see our fellow man as mean, nasty, unkind and corrupt and we are<br />
creating those conditions in our experience.  We invite it.  Some would<br />
call that instant karma.</p>
<p>Look at this aspect: in earth school, every lesson that every person needs<br />
is here.  If some are in a position of peace &#8211; they will find peace here.<br />
If they need wars &#8211; they will find it here.  If they need Genius &#8211; they will<br />
find it here.  But to provide these varied lessons, some souls must step<br />
to the plate and play a very nasty part &#8211; like Hitler. Like today&#8217;s terrorists.<br />
That is a rough role to accept.  It is needed.  They are not sinners since<br />
it is a teaching lesson to help us awaken.  God loves all His children equally.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Varies</p>
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		<title>By: Christian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is good Karma and there is bad Karma.  It isn&#039;t a punishment.  It is a harmonious balance of energies.  In Creation there is the Law of balance.  For ever action there is an equal reaction.  At some level it just becomes as it should be, just as it must be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is good Karma and there is bad Karma.  It isn&#8217;t a punishment.  It is a harmonious balance of energies.  In Creation there is the Law of balance.  For ever action there is an equal reaction.  At some level it just becomes as it should be, just as it must be.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Thimmappa M.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thimmappa M.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karma is not merely what we do now or in this life, it is the accumulated effect of all the karmas of all our past lives, hence, it may be the deeds/karmas of his past lives that is incurring the &#039;evil doer&#039; in this livfe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karma is not merely what we do now or in this life, it is the accumulated effect of all the karmas of all our past lives, hence, it may be the deeds/karmas of his past lives that is incurring the &#8216;evil doer&#8217; in this livfe.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: claptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>claptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question... I like Free at Last&#039;s response and would add the following:

&quot;And as the infinite can never be manifested, hence the finite world has to be satisfied with the shadow alone, which its actions draw upon humanity and which men attract and force to activity. Hence, while it is the universal Cause in its unmanifested unity and infinity, the Astral light becomes, with regard to Mankind, simply the effects of the causes produced by men in their sinful lives. It is not its bright denizens — whether they are called Spirits of Light or Darkness — that produce Good or Evil, but mankind itself that determines the unavoidable action and reaction in the great magic agent. It is mankind which has become the “Serpent of Genesis,” and thus causes daily and hourly the Fall and sin of the “Celestial Virgin” — which thus becomes the Mother of gods and devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving, beneficent deity to all those who stir her Soul and heart, instead of attracting to themselves her shadowy manifested essence, called by Eliphas Levi — “the fatal light” which kills and destroys. Humanity, in its units, can overpower and master its effects; but only by the holiness of their lives and by producing good causes. It has power only on the manifested lower principles — the shadow of the Unknown and Incognizable Deity in Space. But in antiquity and reality, Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia (§ 361) it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics — the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.

Thus to the profane, the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once —

Footnote(s) ———————————————
* Says Johannes Tritheim, the Abbot of Spanheim, the greatest astrologer and Kabalist of his day: — “The art of divine magic consists in the ability to perceive the essence of things in the light of nature (astral light), and by using the soul-powers of the spirit to produce material things from the unseen universe, and in such operations the Above and the Below must be brought together and made to act harmoniously. The spirit of Nature (astral light) is a unity, creating and forming everything, and acting through the instrumentality of man it may produce wonderful things. Such processes take place according to law. You will learn the law by which these things are accomplished, if you learn to know yourself. You will know it by the power of the spirit that is in yourself, and accomplish it by mixing your spirit with the essence that comes out of yourself. If you wish to succeed in such a work you must know how to separate Spirit and Life in Nature, and, moreover, to separate the astral soul in yourself and to make it tangible, and then the substance of the soul will appear visibly and tangibly rendered objective by the power of the spirit.” — (Quoted in Dr. Hartman’s “Paracelsus.”)


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Vol. 2, Page  513   MIND, THE QUICKENING SPIRIT.
Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite Space thrill the magnetic and electrical currents of animate Nature, the life-giving and death-giving waves, for death on earth becomes life on another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the “Holy Ghost” and “Satan,” at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly; and the Astral Light, the manifested effects of the two who are one, guided and attracted by ourselves, is the Karma of humanity, both a personal and impersonal entity: personal, because it is the mystic name given by St. Martin to the Host of divine Creators, guides and rulers of this planet; impersonal, as the Cause and effect of universal Life and Death.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Secret Doctrine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question&#8230; I like Free at Last&#8217;s response and would add the following:</p>
<p>&quot;And as the infinite can never be manifested, hence the finite world has to be satisfied with the shadow alone, which its actions draw upon humanity and which men attract and force to activity. Hence, while it is the universal Cause in its unmanifested unity and infinity, the Astral light becomes, with regard to Mankind, simply the effects of the causes produced by men in their sinful lives. It is not its bright denizens — whether they are called Spirits of Light or Darkness — that produce Good or Evil, but mankind itself that determines the unavoidable action and reaction in the great magic agent. It is mankind which has become the “Serpent of Genesis,” and thus causes daily and hourly the Fall and sin of the “Celestial Virgin” — which thus becomes the Mother of gods and devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving, beneficent deity to all those who stir her Soul and heart, instead of attracting to themselves her shadowy manifested essence, called by Eliphas Levi — “the fatal light” which kills and destroys. Humanity, in its units, can overpower and master its effects; but only by the holiness of their lives and by producing good causes. It has power only on the manifested lower principles — the shadow of the Unknown and Incognizable Deity in Space. But in antiquity and reality, Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia (§ 361) it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics — the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.</p>
<p>Thus to the profane, the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once —</p>
<p>Footnote(s) ———————————————<br />
* Says Johannes Tritheim, the Abbot of Spanheim, the greatest astrologer and Kabalist of his day: — “The art of divine magic consists in the ability to perceive the essence of things in the light of nature (astral light), and by using the soul-powers of the spirit to produce material things from the unseen universe, and in such operations the Above and the Below must be brought together and made to act harmoniously. The spirit of Nature (astral light) is a unity, creating and forming everything, and acting through the instrumentality of man it may produce wonderful things. Such processes take place according to law. You will learn the law by which these things are accomplished, if you learn to know yourself. You will know it by the power of the spirit that is in yourself, and accomplish it by mixing your spirit with the essence that comes out of yourself. If you wish to succeed in such a work you must know how to separate Spirit and Life in Nature, and, moreover, to separate the astral soul in yourself and to make it tangible, and then the substance of the soul will appear visibly and tangibly rendered objective by the power of the spirit.” — (Quoted in Dr. Hartman’s “Paracelsus.”)</p>
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<p>Vol. 2, Page  513   MIND, THE QUICKENING SPIRIT.<br />
Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite Space thrill the magnetic and electrical currents of animate Nature, the life-giving and death-giving waves, for death on earth becomes life on another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the “Holy Ghost” and “Satan,” at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly; and the Astral Light, the manifested effects of the two who are one, guided and attracted by ourselves, is the Karma of humanity, both a personal and impersonal entity: personal, because it is the mystic name given by St. Martin to the Host of divine Creators, guides and rulers of this planet; impersonal, as the Cause and effect of universal Life and Death.&quot;<br /><b>References : </b><br />The Secret Doctrine</p>
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		<title>By: hanYu</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanYu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know for sure what karma means, but in my view, life is a constant test from God. In Islam, it teaches that to every hardship or suffering, there is a lesson to be learn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know for sure what karma means, but in my view, life is a constant test from God. In Islam, it teaches that to every hardship or suffering, there is a lesson to be learn.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Lord of the Watchtower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord of the Watchtower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read of the mystery&#039;s, and remember that you are being tested! and this will be on the exams!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;we live and some learn and some don&#039;t!
Lycan Chronicles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read of the mystery&#8217;s, and remember that you are being tested! and this will be on the exams!<br /><b>References : </b><br />we live and some learn and some don&#8217;t!<br />
Lycan Chronicles</p>
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		<title>By: tamonmark</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamonmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, karma works. The thief steals from himself. Karma is ours and not ours. It can be seen in the serenity prayer of alcoholic&#039;s anonymous: accepting the things I cannot change, having courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. I hope this answer helps.

In gassho, (palms together)

tamonmark&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, karma works. The thief steals from himself. Karma is ours and not ours. It can be seen in the serenity prayer of alcoholic&#8217;s anonymous: accepting the things I cannot change, having courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. I hope this answer helps.</p>
<p>In gassho, (palms together)</p>
<p>tamonmark<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: TheGoldenGael</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGoldenGael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Good one!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Good one!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karma doesn&#039;t exist, it is just a comforting lie people make up when someone F#&amp;@ them over. So they believe that somewhere there is some kind of ultimate cosmic justice, sorry there isn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karma doesn&#8217;t exist, it is just a comforting lie people make up when someone F#&amp;@ them over. So they believe that somewhere there is some kind of ultimate cosmic justice, sorry there isn&#8217;t.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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